Crossposted from Flopping Aces

Here we go once again.  The NYT’s publishes another in a long line of liberal screeds against the Bush administration and the "torture" we perpetrated on terrorists.  Poor widdle terrorists.  Torture like head slapping, simulated drowning, turning the thermostat down, sleep deprivation and the like.  Some real tough stuff.

Of course its nothing like our enemy does:

Here the NYT’s pulls out a "expert" for a quote:

The problem is, once you’ve got a legal opinion that says such a technique is O.K., what happens when one of our people is captured and they do it to him? How do we protest then?

To which I only have a few words.  Is he freaking kidding me?

They do much more then slapping someone’s head genius.  They put blowtorches to them.  Is this guy for real?

Then we have the man, the myth, the legend of liberal kookiness, Andrew Sullivan, who pulls out the Bush is a war criminal tag again:

We have war criminals in the White House. What are we going to do about it?

But the truth of the matter here is that slapping someone’s head, waterboarding, sleep deprivation is NOT torture.  What is being done by our enemy is torture.  Cutting someone’s eye out, putting a blowtorch to their skin is torture, ripping out fingernails is torture.

Making someone stay awake is not.

And making someone stay awake has yielded results.  Abu Zubaydah, a very high ranking al-Qaeda recruiter and operational planner.  Omar al-Faruq, another high ranking al-Qaeda member who helped spread their doctrine into the far east, he was captured as a result of the interrogation of Abu Zabaydah.  Ramzi Binalshibh, a planner of 9/11.  Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, planner of the Cole bombing.

All these resulted from the very same techniques these yahoo’s are screaming about.

Of course how can you argue with people who don’t believe we have real enemies to begin with:

Taverner Thu Oct-04-07 12:36 PM
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Gentle Reminder: There is NO Terrorist Threat Updated at 12:36 PM

Honestly - there is none. At least, no more than the ravings of a madman in the hills of Pakistan and some like minded idiots scattered all over. Most Muslims in the world don’t really give a rats ass about America, Bush or Bin Laden. Unless they live in Iraq, where we’ve given them lots of reasons to hate us. Most Muslims are concerned with feeding their family, farming their fields, running their businesses, etc. Most Muslims don’t even give a rats ass about Israel. Outside of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, the rallying cry put forth by the madmen never took off. "Wiping Israel off the Map" is still the parlor talk of madmen who face their own constituencies, and are using it to distract the people from issues such as food and work. And so far, it isn’t working.

The reason we are all a flutter with fear is because going by a terrorist attack seems so senseless, and such a horrible way to go. On 9/11, nothing changed except our own minds. And that which changed was a shift into delusion.

The Shepherds of Terror are in The White House  
They learned well from herr Goebbles, et al. What better way to control the populace than to play on their fears?

It has been established that Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Rove have all worked VERY hard to make sure we do have a terrorist threat. They want one - they relish in the deaths of Americans. At night, when they go to sleep, they jolly themselves to sleep with visions of death and destruction.

If there is a threat anywhere, it lies in the White House.

And believe me, this is how a majority of liberals think.  Terrorism?  Just a talking point meant to scare us from the right. 

So if you think like that then its just a hop, skip and a jump to the next logical conclusion, Bush is giving the ok to sleep deprivation because he is nothing but a war criminal.  A madman wanting to take over the world…..BAHAHAHAHAHAH! (insert your own evil laugh here).  He couldn’t be doing it to ensure that our country is safe and that evil men like those above are either killed or captured.  Nope, nothing but a war criminal. 

Sigh….

But I gotta tell ya, when it comes down to it.  I hope and pray that someone is turning the thermostat down on these evil creatures to induce them to talk.  Them talking saves lives.  It helps us capture the worst of the worst and prevent another 9/11. 

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